It was> > Maggie who was supposed to tell Riley about Angel to humiliate Buffy in> > front of everyone at the Initiative.> >. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Though Angel saw Lindsey off, he managed to get one last crack at him by taping a sign reading "Cops Suck" on the back of his truck. (The writers could change their minds, of course, and makethem crucial to the season seven finale, say, but that's the currentcanon.) Lindsey was eager to have Angel sire Darla, thus saving her. After David Boreanaz left "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," he went on to star as the eponymous antihero of the spin-off show "Angel," according to Screen Rant. They were clearly playing with the Frankenstein myth, where the monster takes a life of its own, ponders the meaning of its existence and wants to create other monsters to keep it company. It was> > Maggie who was supposed to tell Riley about Angel to humiliate Buffy in> > front of everyone at the Initiative. The thing is would people have cared that Buffy and Riley were being drivenapart? Among them was the donor of Lindsey's hand, an old friend of his from his mailroom days. I still don'tthink he was; he was a fellow victim and should never have been playedas a big bad. Finding out that Buffy is the Slayer is a kind of a gas, and it's nervous-making and exciting to have good people on her team; she's like a president - she wants a great cabinet underneath her. [citationneeded], Though rivals at heart, Lindsey and Lilah were also forced to also work together. I disagree. Anthony Stewart Head, who played Buffy's watcher Rupert Giles, was only represented by an oil painting. Riley later found out his boss had implanted a behaviour modifier into him after he joined the initiative, and it caused him to experience strange feelings. [14], Lindsey later sought out Spike under the assumed identity of a drifter named Doyle, closely paralleling the initial encounters between Angel and the real Doyle. [6], When Darla was returned to life as a human, Lindsey became attached to her, struggling with CDs to play her music at his office and helping her mess with Angel's mind; he provided Darla with a fake identity and hired actor to play her husband to frame Angel for murdering him. Angel then hurled Winters out of the window of the tall building they were in, into the sunlight where he was burnt to dust. [11] Nineteen days later, Lindsey makes a trip to the crater where Sunnydale once stood and digs Spike's amulet out of the Hellmouth. riiighhht?). Lindsey displayed the new abilities he had learned on his journeys, enabling him to keep up with Angel in a physical confrontation. Her other films include Slap Shot (1977), Between the Lines (1977), The Verdict (1982), Prefontaine (1997), and The Insider (1999). Whedon discussed with Nicholas Brendon and Sarah Michelle Gellar the idea of Buffy and Xander ending up together at the end of the final season, which the actors reportedly agreed. MORNING READS Ripe and smooth: This village thinks it has. I thought the character came into her own in season five and blossomed as the moral core of Buffy's gang this year. (Unless someone tells them to, but thatwould just be silly and pointless. For her role in the 1984 film Places in the Heart, she received an Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actress. Maggie maintains a close relationship with Riley, who is her favorite soldier; she appears to think of him as a son. She's not a mean person, she's just a straight-out scientist. [18], During the Fall of Los Angeles, the Senior Partners discussed with Wesley the possibility of replacing him with a "zombified McDonald" or Eve as their liaison to Angel. That doesn't mean that the legends are true. If you've been paying any attention to running news (or just big headlines in general) then you are already familiar with Lindsay's work. and Radcliffe College in 1970,[5] Crouse began her performing career as a modern and jazz dancer, but she soon switched to acting and made her Broadway debut in Much Ado About Nothing in 1972. His character was undergoing military training, but the creators of the series wanted to bring even more depth to Riley Finn. The person in charge was Maggie Walsh who was also Buffy's professor. What was her plan? [1], Lindsey used his pass to get Angel past security so he could steal disks with information against his colleagues. Consequently, his work at the firm suffered as he aired his hatred towards Angel against his colleagues while still in a race with Lilah for the promotion. The WB/YouTube. The demon however, worked against them by causing a distraction with Angel so Anne could show a tape, suspected to have incriminating evidence against them. --Doctor Who ************************************************************************, I wonder. DonnaMy opinions might have changed, but not the fact that I am right. Privacy Policy. Green supposedly wanted a better storyline to showcase his talents (hey, yeah, hey being pretty much interchangable with Tara's lines). Buffy: How old was Sarah Michelle Gellar in Buffy The Vampire Slayer? [9] Crouse is also known for her role in the fourth season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where she was a recurring supporting cast member playing Professor Maggie Walsh. (Presumably Watchers and other supernatural experts knew more). See Lindsay Crouse full list of movies and tv shows from their career. Buffy the Vampire Slayer RETURN confirmed - stars reunite after decade, Buffy the Vampire Slayer reboot: Release date, cast, plot, trailer, Sarah Michelle Gellar reveals the treatment she used to shed fat. Fearing that the hand is evil, Lindsey went to Caritas and sang for the Host, revealing that he used to be a regular customer and musician at Caritas until he lost his hand. There were other indications that an unknown force was at work in and around U.C. His departure really changed the direction of the series and Idoubt it would have been Oz who'd have died. Or it could be that the Watcher's Guide is a fluff piece and that's really how it happened. It wasTara who got Willow down that path of heavy magic. [9], They learned that Angel had nothing and the footage consisted of nothing but Cordelia and Wesley messing around; it not only embarrassed them when they acted suspiciously to stop the footage being shown, but it allowed the demon to take the money and return it to Anne. Not according to Joss. ", "For Mamet and Crouse, A Movie is a Family Affair. and our -- Jukka.@hut.fi (Jukka Korpela), The answer to all questions starting with those four words is "Yes.". Personally I thinkASH's departure this season was even more devastating. Explore Tumblr Posts and Blogs tagged as #lindsay crouse with no restrictions, modern design and the best experience | Tumpik. However, Adam awakens and impales Walsh, killing her, and escapes from the Initiative. Before Angel left, Lindsey had the encounter digitally recorded and alerted the police. Wow, I had no idea Walsh was originally intended to be the Big Bad. The Initiative project is shut down permanently. See today's front and back pages, download the newspaper, order back issues and use the historic Daily Express newspaper archive. Their supervisor, Holland Manners, noticed Lindsey was going through a stage in his life to make decisions and allows Lindsey to take a few days to decide. And he is pretty darn cute to boot!! I remember when I was a kid, I read a lot of vampire comics. [13], Lindsey then initiated the next stage of his plan, making Spike corporeal again through a package sent to Spike at Wolfram & Hart. [12] Deposited, incorporeal, in Wolfram & Hart and unable to leave the city limits, Spike gradually grows attached to L.A. and reconsiders his initial intention to seek out Buffy in Europe, deciding to allow Buffy to remember him as a self-sacrificing hero. After huge amounts of fan speculation on the idea, a vampirised Slayer finally did appear in the "Season Nine" comics. After reading an intriguiging book about vampire legends, it seems to me (the book didn't draw this conclusion, it's my own stab in the hear-- er, dark) that pretty much the entire modern picture of the vampire as played in Hollywood and Gothic fiction comes from Bram Stoker's "Dracula", and Stoker actually made up most of it on his own. Angel tried to catch her out by attacking her, thus forcing her to defend herself beyond the abilities of an average person in front of a court hearing with Lindsey as her defendant. [10], Lindsey quickly replaced his hand with a new prosthetic and continued with his life, requiring pre-made ties for work and unable to play his guitar. WB / Hulu. Used automotive wheel weights make great inexpensive bullets forplinking, and I can control how heavy a powder charge I want as well. Since werewolves are fictional, there's no universal "rule" about how they must be portrayed. Hmm interesting hope someone has info on this? However, Angel knew that Lindsey could never be trusted, and he had secretly instructed Lorne to assassinate Lindsey once the Sahrvin demons were eliminated. Adam> > was a last minute replacement as the Big Bad. In "The Freshman", antagonist Sunday was originally going to be a Slayer who had been turned into a vampire, explaining how she was able to nearly effortlessly defeat Buffy the first time they fought.Instead, she simply became an unusually savvy and powerful vampire. Leaving Angel briefly to get his stake, Angel in that time recovered and turned the tables on Lindsey. Actually, it could be even simpler than that - I reload and cast my ownbullets for certain calibers because it's a whole lot cheaper than factoryammo. Yes> I was that sad :-) and in those there were certain facts that don't appear> in Buffy>. Or just making sure. After figuring out that his hand wasn't evil but rather suicidal, Lindsey pulled the plug on his friend and destroyed the facility, while saving those that could still be saved. Charisma Carpenter is a 50-year-old American actress who played the role of Cordelia Chase in Buffy The Vampire Slayer for the first three seasons, and the series is now on All4.The star is also . She> > said the Initiative storyline was something that they pulled out of> > their hats at the last minute. Buffy has actually played on this a bit in "Buffy v Dracula" when Spike blames Dracula for spilling the beans about vampire weaknesses-- implying that before Dracula's story was written, most myth and legend knew little or nothing about them. )>> >> Though Cain, the werewolf hunter, did make a point of using silver bullets> > We see Cain making his own bullets, but nothing is said about what they> were made of. Beating him down with his bare hands while apologizing for the fact Darla didn't love him and that he made the right choices, Angel used the sledgehammer to smash Lindsey's prosthetic hand, noting that Lindsey should be grateful he recently had an epiphany, as Angel could have easily destroyed Lindsey's remaining real hand instead. [citationneeded], Together, Lindsey and Eve manipulate events so that Spike, not Angel, proves (or at least appears to the Senior Partners) to be the ensouled vampire foretold in the Scrolls of Aberjian, the one who will have a crucial impact in the Apocalypse and fulfill the Shanshu Prophecy. She made her Broadway debut in the 1972 revival of Much Ado About Nothing and appeared in her first film in 1976 in All the President's Men. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. [INSIGHT]Buffy: How old was Sarah Michelle Gellar in Buffy The Vampire Slayer? Definatelynot as big of a surprise as how Warren died. However, I just listened to her interview at the Buffering podcast and nothing of that sort came up. [citationneeded], Failing to do so, Darla was diagnosed with syphilis, the disease that she had before becoming a vampire. We had a lot more planned for Seth Green> > (Oz), for example, but his departure> > > [to do films] opened the door for Tara (Amber Benson), which was> > something we never expected. Touched by an Angel. Shesaid the Initiative storyline was something that they pulled out oftheir hats at the last minute. In season five, Riley started to deteriorate as his devotion to the initiative started to get in the way of his relationship with the vampire slayer. 2. She made her Broadway debut in the 1972 revival of Much Ado About Nothing and appeared in her first film in 1976 in All the President's Men. The vampires in Buffy don't exactly conform to traditionalstandards. Unable to get within a good distance due to a cross Lindsey held, Angel threw a scythe at Lindsey, chopping off his right hand. > > > then we went, ehhh, forget it. For me, the character of Maggie Walsh is a great addition to this season. Whedon discussed with Nicholas Brendon and Sarah Michelle Gellar the idea of Buffy and Xander ending up together at the end of the final season, which the actors reportedly agreed. Oh my god, how lame is that?-------------------------------------------------------------------------, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, From the 29 January 2002 online edition of Entertainment Weekly, Marti, On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:16:49 -0400, Boozy Smurf \(aka Andrew Hatch/790\) <, I had thought there'd be more Walsh in S4Too bad, LC missed a real chance to. > in article 130620022021411075%dsa@synapse.net, Don Sample at> dsa@synapse.net wrote on 6/13/02 7:24 PM:> > > In article <21ced21e.0206@posting.google.com>, Sam> > wrote:> >. Or perhaps, just perhaps, he knew about the legends that werewolves can onlybe killed by a silver bullet. More recently, in season four, > > > Maggie (Lindsay Crouse was going to be much more of a mother figure> > for Riley, introducing him to> > > another girl to lure him away from Buffy. > > > Now that the first season is out on DVD, can you tell us about storylines that never made the cut?> > >> > > Actually, there were a lot of things we were going to do and never did. He had also been betrayed by his boss, Professor Walsh (Lindsay Crouse) who had been in charge of the initiative but had been lying about an attempt to kill his girlfriend, Buffy. He starred in a total of 31 episodes, and his character, Riley Finn, was first introduced in the season four premiere. You must log in or register to reply here. There were indications that the Initiative existed from the> first episode. Actor Blucas simply left the series as his character was written out in the year 2000. In many stories, it takes silver to kill a werewolf when it's in wolf form but the other 26 or so days of the month when they are human, they can be killed just like anyone else can. At some point, he began a relationship with Eve, the Liaison to the Senior Partners. Adam is a complete monster with absolutely no human emotions -- it made him a very formidable foe! Walsh was basically working on something that was inhuman, which in turn could be explained by saying that Adam was born out of the dark part of Walsh's soul/mind. Express. Whether or not Buffyverse werewolves have any sort of fast healing hasnever been established. As opposed to just sort of misguided."[6]. Despite this, Angel finally defeated Lindsey and his comrades completed a ritual that dissolved the tattoos that protected Lindsey from the Senior Partners, and he was dragged away through a portal. Many people don't realize sports are one of the best short cuts for the wealthy in elite college admissions. Crouse has also guest-starred on Alias, CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, Columbo, Criminal Minds, Law & Order, ER, Millennium, and NYPD Blue. Come to think of it, it does make sense that Adam was the planned Big Bad all along. ", Christian Kane has said that he considered Lindsey to be driven in his hate for Angel during season 5 over losing Darla to him: "Even though I'm in love with Eve, Darla was a true love. Walsh initially thinks that Buffy can be a useful ally to the Initiative, but soon takes a dislike to her unpredictability and unwelcome curiosity, especially with regards to the "314 Project". Meanwhile, he infiltrated Wolfram & Hart. In fact, while, under the assumption that she'd left the show early, I used to think that that reanimated corpse prof Walsh (in Primeval) was just an extra in prosthetics, it turns out that it was actually herself (Crouse) coming back to the show as planned all along. ", Another fan said: "Always loved Riley (re-watching Buffy just now) and it turns out the actor is as sincere and lovable as the character he played. But most of the changes [throughout> > the series] have had to do with> > > actors coming and going. Lindsay Crouse was to play the character as a tough woman who thought she was doing the right thing even if her methods were harsh. In 1999, he worked with vampiric businessman Russell Winters, a client that because of Lindsey's and his firm's services, could feed on young women without alerting attention. Crouse has appeared in featured and guest roles in a number of television series. While it is true that the affinity began as a result of a common interest in magic, Willow was always portrayed as the more dominant partner. Lindsey insisted to Lorne that he had changed, offering to sing for him so Lorne might read his future. > > Lindsay Crouse wanted out of her contract so she was killed off. Maggie Walsh was supposed to be a> motherly type to Riley. [citation needed] Her maternal grandparents were author and educator John Erskine and his wife Pauline Ives. > >> Though Cain, the werewolf hunter, did make a point of using silver> >> bullets> > > > We see Cain making his own bullets, but nothing is said about what they> > were made of.> > And why would he make his own bullets, then? "[3], Crouse gave some insight into her view on her character, "She's such an extremist. The character is portrayed by Lindsay Crouse. Wasn't Lindsay Course playing judges in the Law & Order franchise was that part of the reason why she got killed off in Buffy? Sunnydale in further> episodes before it was all revealed to us. He noted that, while Angel was sidetracked at Wolfram & Hart, the apocalypse was already underway, and Angel and his team were becoming more corrupt by the day. Putting him in a crisis of conscience, Lindsay teamed up with Angel to save the children and allow him to leave Wolfram & Hart scot-free. Riley was also the only character to have been accepted as part of the group by Buffy's male friend, Xander Harris (Nicholas Brendon). Upon leaving, he warned them not to follow him due to his "evil hand issues," pinching Lilah on the bottom as he walked out the door. Crouse's brother is Timothy Crouse, author of The Boys on the Bus about political journalism during the 1972 presidential campaign. A good guy. Lindsey also worked with the ex-Watcher Rutherford Sirk to fake an addendum to the Shanshu Prophecy that the vampire with a soul must drink from the Cup of Perpetual Torment after apparently causing a disruption of reality that Eve claims is the result of there being two vampire champions with souls in an attempt to provoke a conflict between Angel and Spike that would result in Angel's death. Riley later. An interesting thing about Joss is he's not very diplomatic, I like that about him. He sent Spike to kill her, claiming she was still possessed by Jasmine; he later admited he did not expect the plan to succeed, but it "was worth a shot." I think she/they (the initiative) wanted to create a "super-being" who could fight crime, kill demons etc, and then the scientists could continue to use the demon parts to create more "super-beings". And when he came back I realized that I really missed Riley.". I really do believe that." Why did Buffy go to LA in season 4? This was the first lesbian recurring character on a major network. An understanding that Willow found inconvenient as she used magic to empower her and increase her standing with Buffy. It's easy to kill offrecurring character's, it's tougher to kill off contract regulars. When she seemingly killed a security guard which put her on the run, Lindsay tried to contact Angel but he was already there and hung Lindsey's neck by a string choking, wanting to know where she was but Lindsey explained that she would die if Angel didn't save her. If Seth Green handn't left, it would have been him lying dead on the bedroom floor in "Seeing Red". Mamet got the job. "[3], Months later, Lindsey then worked with fellow lawyers Lilah Morgan and Lee Mercer, both having had previous plans ruined by Angel, to have him killed. I like her caustic nature, because she's not a mean person. Lindsey hopes that once the Senior Partners realize the folly of attempting to seduce Angel to their cause, that he will be stripped of his position at Wolfram & Hart, leaving a power vacuum which Lindsey could fill, gaining a measure of revenge on Angel. It was an experiment that the Government wanted to test was possible or not, and they put Maggie in charge. Although his deception is exposed and the Cup revealed to be a fake, Lindsey's plans were nevertheless served as Angel begins to doubt himself after losing to Spike. At least one traditional legend we have (as of now) been told isfalse: several people in episodes have said that leprechauns do notexist. I doubt it. > > > > This is the first time I've ever heard this. I see that you're either the one with the power or you're powerless.Lindsey McDonald, Lindsey McDonald was a lawyer at Wolfram & Hart and both an enemy and ally of Angel Investigations. reasons and the Big Bad arc had to be redesigned around Adam. Emmy Award-winning Sarah Michelle Gellar was born on April 14, 1977 in New York City, the daughter of Rosellen (Greenfield), who taught at a nursery school, and Arthur Gellar, who worked in the garment industry. She doesn't have the time for it. --Help control the idiot population. I do wish I was a little more seasoned and mature at the time to realise how good it was. ActuallyI think it would have upset me more to see Oz get shot infront of Willow. Maggie was supposed to be the season's Big Bad.> > Maggie was supposed to drive a wedge between Buffy and Riley. Eliza Dushku, who played the rogue slayer Faith Lehane, was not represented at all. [9], After Angel violently burnt Darla and Drusilla, Lindsay, still infatuated with Darla, let her recuperate at his apartment. The pair fought on a rising container that held the creature, while Cordelia tried to stop the process. You can unsubscribe at any time. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. > > Also, apparently at a convention where Jane Espenson was a panelist. Buffy wouldn't have been his enemy if she'd been all 'Frankenstien me up, Doc'. I was seven when they took the house, just came right in and took it.Lindsey McDonald, Born into a poor and dysfunctional family in the south-central United States, Lindsey worked hard to overcome his upbringing. I couldn't let that slide.Lindsey McDonald, Two years later, Lindsey finally returned to Los Angeles, when he learned that Angel has taken over the Los Angeles division of Wolfram & Hart. Not much help sorry. Sarah Michelle Gellar. One fan said: "I didnt like Riley Finn when he first became Buffy's boyfriend but by the time he left I was really sad. She said that she was rather> surprised and disappointed uponhearing abou ther character's death.> > > (Yeah, right, like I could tell if it was definitive based on a> > Usenet posting)> > Hey, you could check the guide for yourself>. ""Are you kidding? More info. Actual legends appear to be enormously miscellaneous and seldom include these familiar pieces, while they often *do* include pieces that we (and Hollywood) would say just belong to ghosts, werewolves, zombies, and the like. The Bridge, Iain Banks, > > Her interview in The Watcher's Guide, vol. On a mission of redemption.I help the hopeless. When Faith made the deal known to him, Angel broke into Lindsey's though was quickly caught out when Lindsey walked in. When Darla failed to persuade Angel to their side, thus stunting her mentality, Lindsey discovered he was in love with her despite her desire to become a vampire. She was born in New York City on 1948-05-12. [8] Darla did this with the intent to keep both lawyers as their liaison to the Senior Partners, because though angry for being used by Wolfram & Hart, she desired power. Knocking him out with a kick to the head, Angel borrowed his truck to save Cordelia from a group of demons before returning it the next morning though heavily damaged. As Crouse has said: "In our family, the work ethic was held up as some kind of byword At any hour, somebody's typewriter was going."[5]. Upon discovering this, Lindsey sent several top private investigators to find out who the intruder was. Maybe my brain is just not functioning today, but who is this Ash person? The. Fictional character from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, List of Buffyverse villains and supernatural beings, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maggie_Walsh&oldid=1138757945, Short description is different from Wikidata, Articles using Infobox character with multiple unlabeled fields, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 11 February 2023, at 12:27. So leaving actually saved his life. The actor left to go shoot the movie Knockaround Guys and by the time he was able to return, the show had already changed so radically that there wasn't a place for him anymore. The plan was averted as Spike, Cordelia, and Angel were able to uncover Lindsey's actions. "You can't stop and recite something," says Crouse. For more information, please see our Zombie Walsh attacks Buffy when she comes to Riley's rescue, but Buffy knocks her down and defeats her, and with some help from the Scooby-Gang of Willow, Xander, and Giles, she defeats Adam as well. But Crouse said this to Rafelson, who called Mamet; when the director asked why he should hire him for the screenplay, Mamet replied, "Because I'll give you a good screenplay or a sincere apology." Claiming to receive visions from the Powers That Be, he gained Spike's cooperation and trust. ESPECIALLY if he had returned from controlling hiswerewolf self and got back with Willow (excluding any messy Taraentanglements), then they were totally happyand THEN Oz got shot atthe end of Season 6. I'm a vampire with a soul.BUFFY: A vampire with a soul? (Actually, in _Wild at Heart_ Oz still hasscratches from his first encounter with Veruca several hours later, sohe can't heal too fast. ), >it would have had more impact. Crouse's essay has now racked up more than 3 million page views. "You have to keep the poetry very, very active, which is pretty easy with Dickinson. It has something to offer everyone at all levels Buddhism is dynamic and has captured the interests of Americans. The three hired then-renegade Slayer Faith to assassinate him, promising to free her from her police charges and a doubled amount of payment. [2], In a final confrontation between Angel and Lindsey, the two buried the hatchet, and Lindsey warned him of the games Wolfram & Hart was trying to play. "It's always hard to be directed by someone who's close to you," Crouse says. "It was obviously a great thing to be a part of. Joss has said that Lindsay Crouse was difficult to work with, which led him to killing her off/reducing her role sooner. Cameras installed in Riley's room allow her to spy on Buffy and Riley while they have sex, and later to hear Buffy ask Riley about the 314 Project. She was striving so hard to understand what life was about. Buffy Main Cast. Various creatures captured by the Initiative were dissected to provide the parts for Adam. Buffy the Vampire Slayer: How many seasons of Buffy are there? And even if they were silver, maybe he just had a LoneRanger complex. riiighhht?) He was eventually rescued by Angel, Spike, and Charles Gunn for information they need. At first he enjoyed his new privileges, able to play his guitar again. Vampires were more primeval and didn't get emotionally involved withpeople or other vampires for that matter, There are more differences but I have forgotten the rest :-).

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