The players are definitely buying what the Braves are selling. If he is not sent down in 2023 he will finish 2023 with 2 years and 3 days of service time. To be totally honest, its not the least bit justifiable in any light. But theyre the ones winning Championships while Im sitting at home typing on my laptop, so my opinion doesnt mean much. Yes, the poor ownership of the past is directly related to the problem but that teams problem going forward will always been the fan support. Olson can go either way, I think. Baez 14.5 WAR While Ive never done a comparison, I do believe they probably are the least fan-friendly. Braves fans are setup extremely well. So they can hamstring their salary cap ceiling by an additional $14M each of the next two years? Braves manager Brian Snitker wasnt ready to say whether Strider might be used as an opener, a reliever or possibly fill both roles during the best-of-five series against the Phillies. Prior to this deal, the five-year, $35MM contract Madison Bumgarner signed with the Giants more than a decade ago stood as the record extension for a pitcher with between one and two years of service time. Does he hit enough to play left field? If not for an extension, Strider would have made the league minimum in 2023 and 2024, been Arb 1 eligible in 2025, Arb 2 eligible in 2026, Arb 3 eligible in 2027 and a free agent after 2027. I disagree with this because the Mets basically played .600 most of the season. I see Grissom in the outfield with Harris/Acuna next year. Talent evaluation, competent analysis, and a decent memory arent your strong suits. The Braves are getting 2 years of FA for $44 million total. He quickly established himself as one of the teams hardest fastball players. What would 2 years of Cole cost, instead of 9/324m? Players dont sign team friendly contacts because they are happy where they are(Jose Ramirez disagreeS. Obviously, $76MM in 2028 will carry less weight than $76MM in 2022, but its still a hefty commitment to have so far down the line. $8M (2025) No its not at all about that. I think thats not quite that straightforward. Kind of like the super 2 guys getting that fourth arb year. Its not close. Neither Strider nor Harris II were ranked in the top 100 prospects by the media outlets that MLB is using to qualify rookies for increased service time and teams getting extra draft picks. CBA has no affect on arb money because the union wouldnt let a segment of their members benefit in terms of general contract negotiations. It made them woke enough to move the all star game, but now they are ok? Pitchers arm injuries are a real risk to wipe out a season or two. One could argue that, though. Thats $83M and even then I think those are totally unattainable, even if he won 2 Cy Young Awards and went to the All-Star game every year and what does that save the Braves $11M? The alternative is not extending anyone and going to find TOR (top of rotation) pitching on the free agent market where the failure rate is MUCH higher partially because the age is so much higher, along with the rate of pay. and injuries. Hes going to get over paid by somebody. This line in the Braves press release is why you dont wait: Strider became the first player in major league history to strike out over 200 with fewer than 100 hits allowed.. Another problem is the harder you throw, the more stress you put on your arm and the more likely you are to get injured. Next up resign Dansby. I mean this in total sincerity, if you love this deal, you should never manage a real team, let alone budget your own finances personally. If you dont you price yourself out of future contracts by playing the waiting game. Atlanta Braves Newsstand Transactions Spencer Strider, This makes 0 sense when the Braves controlled him for 5 years through arb anyway. You are right about Striders value potentially increasing. This was risky to me as well. Strider has two pitches and has started for 2/3 of a season. In your case, the look that you should recognize for all the times you see it with that kind of personality is disgust followed by derisive laughter. Strider will be top 2 in ROY voting. Swanson is not as good as those guys. Getting to 94 is almost 7 mph slower than his typical top fastball. I was a little shocked at how quickly and how high Striders pay jumps. If his performance stays this high he will make over $80 million in his pre-arb year and those 4 arb years. Let them trade him to the Cardinals for Micheal Mcgreeve then if thats how you feel. Not a super bargain like Albies Acuna but its fine. MLB Player Spencer Strider has $1 million dollar net worth as of 2022, image source; SportsTalk ATL.com. I agree on Riley, but Harris and Strider seemed to sign for cheap. His salary will jump to $20 million in '26 and then rise to $22 million for both of the next two seasons. I picked it as a horse race, with the Mets tending to fall apart thanks to an old rotation and an old team, that would have trouble down the stretch. All information these cookies collect is aggregated and therefore anonymous. THIRD BASE Nolan Arenado, 3B, STL. By all the offensive players Im assuming youre only referring to Harris? Thank_ God: The correct sentence structure you should have put is.. Try used instead of put. Elude.? Hopefully he also didnt mean Scherzer, one terrible wildcard game from an elite pitcher like him still doesnt make him crap. somewhere in the 100-115 range over 6 years. The contention window is wide open for years now. His salary will jump to $20 million in '26 and then rise to $22 million for both of the next two seasons. I see little comparison between Strider and Harvey. I am a Yankees fan and they could learn a thing or two from 2 things: Great job by signing Strider to an extension. @Lanidrac Its very unlikely to hurt the Braves badly, since short of catastrophic injury (for which theyll probably have insurance) theyd be keeping him around anyway, shepherding him through TJ should that happen, paying arb awards, collecting insurance. Draft =========================== Strider will qualify for Super Two. He sought treatment through medication, but wasn't seeing the improvement he wanted. There is no amount of rationalizing that can excuse that. But since they extended him this is obviously all moot. Spencer Strider is one of the best young pitchers in the Atlanta Braves organization. Mar 3, 2023, 06:00am EST. Ride along with Braves pitcher Spencer Strider as he talks about what it's like playing at the big-league level, his favorite music to play on days he starts. Because extensions, more so than free-agent contracts, draw heavily from recent comparables, the Strider deal in many ways paves the way for new precedent to be established in multiple service classes. YOU HAVE 20,000 FOLLOWERS: $100 per post at a $5/CPM. Revenue in baseball is going up and salaries will also. 18 As long as the rain holds off on the east coast, we have a nine-game slate in MLB DFS beginning at 4:05 p.m. EDT on DraftKings. Not sure what your point is, but throwing 100 mph doesnt mean crap for a number of reasons, one there are guys like Mauricio Cabrera:, Bruce Rondn, Henry Alberto Rodriguez:, Joel Zumaya:, Tayron Guerrero, Bobby Parnell, who have touched 103 mph and none have made anywhere near that money and all had problems turning velocity into results. There is nothing historically to say that even if they were absurdly expensive compared to other pitchers that it would even match what he was promised. Salaries Awards Draft Leaderboards Cards Proper Name: Spencer Robert Strider High Level: MLB (2021-2022) Positions: P (55) Height: 6-0 Weight: 195 Bats: Right Throws: Right Born: Oct 28,1998 age: 24.116 place: Columbus,OH High School: Christian Academy of Knoxville (Knoxville,TN) colleges: Clemson University (Clemson,SC), Drafted: If Strider is willing to take an extension now, he should be just as willing to do so again after another great year or two. In 2023, Strider will earn a base salary of $1,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $1,000,000. Worst case for Strider is close to what happened with Charlie Morton this year, and guess what? Cano signed with Seattle, the Mets were just dumb enough to trade for him. Not at all. The Braves dont seem to pay for peak seasons from post-prime age players, especially not at SS, which is about the easiest position to put a cheap, 2 WAR floor under, given fielding peaks in players early 20s. Ive had it with my cable provider. Then you wont be signing him. Id hate to be him if he becomes human in Atlanta over the next 6 years. Wouldnt be a bad time to offer him a 5-6 year deal at 100-120 mill. Lengthy extensions to position players I get. Doesnt take a genius to see which one is better for the team. Yeah, if he ends up being average, its definitely an overpay. And him being top 2 in the ROY balloting has no bearing on his service time because the Braves never tried to manipulate it. @ice. Its all Monopoly money past a certain point and this core has dynasty potential. Have a better case that shows why you would gamble paying $53M for three arb years to save $8M in free agency? Jealousys an ugly emotion. A pitcher with arm troubles will usually have some for of trouble again and that volatility is increased exponentially by the stature of the pitcher. 2/80m? Look at the alternative, pay for TOR stuff like DET did in the offseason with Rodriguez (5 years/77M) and he was AWOL for much of the season in the 1st year of his deal. They cant keep getting away with robbery forever. Thats the salary of players in year 2 and 3. Apple TV games are free this year. I finally cut the cord and were saving thousands every year. Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREEYour All-Access Ticket to the Baseball Reference Database. You take risks to lock down his first 2 years of FA. Catcher Shea Langeliers and pitcher Spencer Strider, two of the top prospects in the Atlanta Braves organization, have joined the Gwinnett Stripers for the final five home games of 2021. Otherwise, smart to stash the stache. Get over it already, your team choked, you should be used to Choketober and Choketember by now. Theres risk for sure, but if AA is doing it (hes been notoriously risk-aversive since arriving) Im giving him the benefit of the doubt. Was Strider ever partially responsible for a teammates death? Its a general reference for trade values. Be disappointed if you are going to be anything Braves fans because soon youll see when he falls short of expectations, which is anything short of him becoming Pedro Martinez and hes no Pedro! Another pitiful troll comment from books. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2955053-mlb-predictions-2022-updated-win-loss-projections-for-every-team, https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2022-mlb-predictions-expert-picks-for-division-winners-and-world-series-champion-ahead-of-opening-day/, Thanks RunDMC, that is pretty lousy that Amy writer had the Mets ahead of the defending WS champions. Shewmake is about ready though and they could sign a veteran cheap to platoon with him or just keep Dansby and use Shewmake as trade bait. Strider is represented by Frontline. I will let you do the math. However, blocking some types of cookies may impact your experience of the site and the services we are able to offer. Almost everyone gave up on the Braves when they were 10.5 games back in the NL East. If he continues to dominate, his arm years wouldve skyrocketed. I think there is some advantage, that doesnt show up on the balance sheet, when you lock in your young players. Cant believe how many time the site posts the same comment. But how good is this example? He also only had 10 starts. If the right billionaire acquired them and they signed say Judge, Trea and Arenado, this would be one truly awesome team and their payroll would still be less than several other teams. Must be a great place to play if they can get all these young guys to sign for long term. Cost of living adjustments are more for your average person. Swanson put up a 95 OPS+ and a 14.5 bWAR in his 7 seasons in the majors. 2024: minimum Angels were very much in the running for Cole. Max Fried who was a Super 2 player is going into year 5, third arb season (1 year of control after 2023) is due to make $12.2M in his second to last trip through arbitration an will have earned a grand total of $22.5M through 5 years. Explain to me the worth in that? Then you see it wrong, they are ALREADY PAYING HIM top dollar in this deal. Biography, Net Worth, Gossips, Salary, News & Much More. Swanson is better then Baez. The other 5 of all these extensions are postion players at different ages and stages in their careers. Now ya have your CF 1b 2b 3b rf and strider all signed to under market value contracts and still have money to sign swanson and dip into free agent pool. Mychal Givens, the only one of the Orioles healthy relievers who [] These cookies allow us to count visits and traffic sources so we can measure and improve the performance of our site. No the alternative is giving an extension that builds security for the player and allows them to gain price assurance. Had the Yankees given Miguel Andujar the same treatment after the 2018 season, we would be having a completely different discussion. So he was arb eligible for the first time during the same offseason that he would have been eligible if the Cubs never manipulated his service time. He may spend the season in AAA trying to learn how to play defense. The net effect of them not manipulating his service time is that they get an extra draft pick as per the new CBA. ATLANTA -- Within a matter of minutes, the Spencer Strider narrative changed from: How effective might he be in the National League Division Series to how effective might he be through at least the 2028 season? Lets not get silly and act like the Braves ran away with it and were disrespected. From pursuing his hobbies to rebuilding his arm action and. He made $8 mil last year and $17 mil this year. If they would have waited to sign him for two years, it wouldve made less than a $10M difference in his contracts at most, but it would have given the team an extra $20M to spend before hitting the cap. The 21-year old made the transition from the bullpen to the starting rotation. 37. The mlbtr article mentioned that his agency is Frontline. Harvey was highly regarded as top prospect while Strider was considered middle reliever until may. Id assume the player has a good argument for the latter. Au contraire it is you who needs to check their info. Before joining MLB, he was the top freshman at Clemson in 2018 and later missed the . 2. He should call Chaim Bloom and give him instructions. Some high school data is courtesy David McWater. I mean I wouldnt even extend a player if they are going to get 85% or more of their contract by going year to year. Good luck finding someone who doesnt think hell get back to those heights at 25 years old. The Braves are collecting talent at bargain prices, while the Marlins are paying too much for Avi Garcia and Jorge Soler, The Mets will pay a ton for for Brandon Sir Only Walks And Nothing Else Nimmo, the Phillies are paying a fortune to Harper who is the Carmelo Anthony of baseball (OK, but much better), and the Nats can no longer get stars to sign with them. If they are playing in New York, they ask the team to pay their apartment rent or to finance the home they live in, they get extra money to offset the taxes. The specific cutoff date varies on a year-to-year basis. Especially not when youre right, lol. 1 Freddie Freeman, 1B, LAD. The Braves have zero middle infield prospects on their top 4 mil teams. Does AA hypnotize these guys agents when theyre in the waiting room? Saying that strider pitched last year too as the focal point of your comparison is disingenuous. He would have gone there if the contract offer was higher. The Braves also surely are still hopeful of extending Fried, whos controlled through the 2024 season. He will finish 2023 with 2 years and 3 days of service time not even close to the top 22% of players in his class. For a full look at the Braves' 2022 postseason schedule, click here. My hope is an in-market streaming option arrives by next April. First of all, hes not a Super Two candidate, and even if he was, the Braves would have another year of control to where he wouldnt be a free agent until after 2028. "There's nobody that has higher aspirations or expectations for performance than myself. League figured him out quickly. What it means is you get credited with a full year regardless of the actual number of days you spent on the roster and are affirmatively NOT a Super Two because you were given a full year of service time. Most likely, he wouldnt get anywhere near that much in arbitration. Gotta love it. Signed thru 2028, 6 yrs/$75M (23-28) & 29 team option, Service Time (01/2023): 1.003 The point of early extensions is to create financial flexibility, not to lock yourself into just a few core players. $1M (2024) Braves should stay as far away from Correas mercenary thoughts (and bad back) as possible. Enjoy the Braves playoff run while you whimper about what could have been for your Mutts. $140 per post at $7/CPM. Drafting and developing pitchers is a crap shoot no doubt and Atlanta has had their failures along the way. Research when he was drafted by the Yankees coming out of High School. He was surely damaged goods at that pointat least to some degree.. Baez is also known as a reflex player, as in his dropoff is likely to be catastrophic, costing you the entirety of the last years of his deal. Most pitchers do that. Annoying, but stuff happens.. Good job locking up one of the top young mustaches in the game. If Strider had 1.169 time on the MLB roster, then hed be a candidate for Super-Two next year, but hes got 1.003, so he wouldnt ever be classified Super-Two unless they send him down. Worst case scenario is he becomes Matt Harvey. They control his first two FA years for somewhere in the range of $40-50MM total, depending how aggressively you want to project his arb numbers and only one of the two years is even guaranteed. Right?? Because they didnt try to Kris Bryant him it has no bearing on his service time or his Super Two status. We cant complain about how a big corporation treats people and not acknowledge when they get it right. Doubt the Sox are much happier w/Story, but Red Sox fans would know much more about that than I do. The facts say you are wrong. Only one thing is certain: his grandmother is a huge Cleveland Indians fan. $200 per post at $10/CPM. He started 20 times and finished three . That is a bad assumption. Spencer Strider made his Major League Baseball debut in 2020 with the Mississippi Braves, the Gwinnett Stripers, the Augusta GreenJackets, and the Rome Braves. @Pads Fans Interesting point. You know how you can tell you are wrong? Before his MLB career, he was a member of the Augusta GreenJackets, Rome Braves, Mississippi Braves, and Gwinnett Stripers. His love of the New York night life and illegal substances didnt help his career along either. The 2029 option comes with a $5MM buyout, which is factored into the guaranteed portion of the contract. Find out more. To see the rest of the Spencer Strider's contract breakdowns, & gain access to all of Spotrac's Premium tools, sign up today. Strider will have one pre-arb year then 4 arb seasons. When Cleveland was playing TB, they had lunchtime games. There are so many reasons this could go bad and we arent even talking about the new pitch clock, the pickoff throw rules, and other changes to the game itself. To think that youre so desperate to troll Braves fans youd pretend you remembered something from 6 years ago that a small minority of Braves fans may/may not have ever said. probably not. Not sure who he /them is/are, but I betcha Freddie wishes he wouldve had him/them last off season. "It helps when . The Braves are doing this a lot and Im not saying Strider is the one that its going to happen on, but I cant see it panning out for every player with an extension. The extension does not to my knowledge have any bearing on the Braves getting a draft pick. Striders been out for close to a month recovering from a mild oblique strain. Thats $75M gone off the top, bringing their net total to $175M.If that same deal gets signed in New York, you can take extra $25M off. Also, by disabling these cookies you will also disable banner ads served by Google Adsense on this website.. For more information about these items, view our complete privacy policy.Read More. The Red Sox had the opportunity to do so with Betts, Bogaerts, and Devers a few years ago and blew the opportunity. Considering the current model, I wouldnt bank on $20M coming from the final arb year and that leaves $27.5M/year for the two free agent seasons. But all of that is irrelevant, if he starts pitching like he did in Game 3 of the NLDS!! us. Strider and AA both said theyd been talking about this extension since early September. I think they have the money. These cookies are necessary for the website to function and cannot be switched off in our systems. Players use that as a bargaining tactic all the time. I watched my home team in my home market on it myself without paying a dime or being blacked out. They are off on a lot of things, feel free too look me up, the site owner hates me for calling him out. Im curious what he wants. In 2020, he returned to the field and began playing as a weekend starter. Everyone picked the Mets some even had ATL in 3rd place in the East cause Freeman left. The only other way to get that channel is to splurge on the ridiculously overpriced cable providers with their ever-escalating fees. The reason is pitchers are volatile. I have faith in you to sign you right now. Spencer Strider is currently the starting pitcher position for the Atlanta Braves in Major League Baseball, the senior baseball league of the United States. Already Subscribed? Updated On January 29, 2023. By comparison the Mariners sign Castillo at roughly $22M/year with a $5M option if he needs TJ surgery in the last 3 years with 80% of the contract covering FA years and coming with a similar option year. Really only has 6 seasons in the ML. They may be used by those companies to build a profile of your interests and show you relevant adverts on other sites. Matt Harvey was better at this stage of his career. Here it is again, for your convenience. Grisssoms a likely utility player or trade chip. All rights reserved. Thats totally irrelevant here. By the way, dont tell me what to I can or cant link to for reference, furthermore, people dont rewrite the same theories every year! Dont see how it could be an issue. Corbin Burnes going into year 5, second arb season (1 year of control after 2023) is due to make $11.3M in his second to last trip through arbitration. But Swanson is not nearly as good as those guys. Someone mentioned Max Fried as a comparison, but Fried barely pitched his first 2 seasons in the majors, and had only a small fraction of a season in 2020, and hasnt seen his last 2 arb awards in any case. 1st year $7.225 mm Doesnt make it a bad deal for the team, either. Every FA in Swansons class is going to be more expensive than he will. will he ever be that good again? Braves are the smartest team in baseball. Ill hang up and listen. Strider will make $1 million each of the next two seasons and $4 million in 2025. (Age 22-338d, Awkward, weak arm, slap happy hitter whose approach doesnt fit the Braves high exit velo crush the ball approach. And guess what? Had the Yankees given Judge the same treatment after the 2017 season, we wouldnt be having Judge FA discussions. Spencer Strider salary is $0 per year, including a $0 signing bonus. I think its even more encouraging within you're organization to know your going to have that nucleus every year.. Again, perhaps Im wrong, its my outsiders perspective. Whats that got to do with anything in this conversation. The Atlanta Braves have placed right-hander Spencer Strider on the 15-day injured list with a strained left oblique muscle. . The reality is you should get a 20% discount on the overall value of what they project at today. But if he is what it looks like he could be, its a steal. He wouldve made around $1M per pre-arbitration year in 23 and 24, anyway. Strider has two pitches. Rookie starter Spencer Strider set a Braves record with 16 strikeouts in eight dominant innings during a 3-0 win over the Rockies on Thursday night. Worry about your own team of aging stars and average players. The work that Alex Anthopoulos is doing with the Braves is outstanding. He might not be worth what hes asking. Austin Riley was signed to a 10-year, $212 million contract, and Michael Harris II was given an eight-year, $72 million deal. Strider will be Super Two because he will be top 2 in ROY voting and that earns him and extra year of service time in the new CBA. This deal shows me the Braves have enormous confidence in Strider. Swanson has not been nearly as good as Baez was prior to signing with the Tigers. Riley was warranted. Strider took the mound to start . For fans of baseballtradevalues.com, dont be surprised if he has negative $30M in value by 2025 when he has TJ surgery, misses a year and hes not quite as successful during his third or fourth pass through the league. October 6, 2022: Atlanta Braves activated RHP Spencer Strider from the 15-day injured list. Morning after getting knocked out plus Striders dig at them a few months ago about not being as good as their record and stats showed meltdown city. 2nd year $14.75 mm, Thats not the point Banjo Billy, If hes not willing to extend again in a year, well awww shucks! So basically they guaranteed his arbitration scale in exchange for an extra year, with an option for another year for more money. Every Sports Reference Social Media Account, Site Last Updated: Saturday, March 4, 12:52AM. Theyve been doing well to develop revenue streams and having them as serious generators by the time the current contract is up, and when a new one is signed, they should be up there in annual budgets (and profitability). He would have been Arb 1 eligible after 2024. What the hell is unexpected reply from the server mean? . Good grief. The defending World Series champions will start the NLDS at Truist Park in Atlanta. If his option is exercised, the deal will be worth $92 million over seven years.

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