Of the 185 references in the final report, members of the ISG were co-authors of 26; another 58 were written by either their minions or Defra-(Bournes employer); only 52 had been peer reviewed (published in scientific journals). 2. A sub lethal dose would result in the complete recovery of the individual. WebIf youre taking anti-coagulant drugs to thin your blood, such as low-dose aspirin or warfarin, youre best to avoid taking other NSAIDs or compound painkillers. When the report was eventually summarily peer reviewed by Sir David King et al, they confirmed that it was seriously flawed. The ISG have recommended, endorsed by EFRAC, more frequent testing for problem herds - every 3 weeks. Perhaps the downsides of paracetamol are worth the risks? GPs write millions of prescriptions for this painkiller each year and millions more packets are bought over the counter. Does a cell A questionnaire to assess motives for choosing paracetamol as a suicidal agent was completed by 107 patients admitted after an overdose of the drug. In a survey in 1986 to 1997 (ISG fourth report) an average of 30% of the badgers had TB. 8. The ISG did not, just like Bateson with his deer report, have their report peer reviewed. 5. Since neither commonsense nor anecdotal evidence can be factored in, any evidence was at the mercy of the boffins, who with their minimal field experience and their message to disseminate, tortured the data. You must log in or register to reply here. Posted on 10 Apr 2008 3:48 pm (Report this annotation). Last year, the FDA reduced the maximum dose of paracetamol (called acetaminophen in the US) in tablets or capsules to 325mg to reduce the risk of accidental overdoses. be alleviated. It has generally been considered cheap, safe and effective. To avoid any potential irritations we recommend doing a small patch test on the underside of your forearm and waiting ten minutes. disease surveillance and compensation. It is a crisis which has despicably been allowed by default, to escalate out of control for years. Krebs had too many anomalies and weaknesses in the strategy for it to be successful. A practical, successful and rapid The problem with badgers is that, being such a powerful beast they don't go short of food, so bait won't work. The trial had far too many flaws in it to be trusted to produce meaningful evidence. badgers, and applied in an effective way Carbon dioxide is itself an anaesthetic. Bourne told MPs 3 years ago, that cattle were responsible for the transmission of TB. out to reduce unrealistic expectations. winter, it is hoped that the results of the Its as if you take too long and Tripp decides to kill him right then and there. WebSafe Dosage for Adults with Fever Average dosing: A maximum of 650mg every 4-6 hours, or 1000mg every 6-8 hours to be taken orally or rectally. I have a headache, so Ill take some paracetamol, and Ive got a cold so Ill take a cold product such as Lemsip, says Professor Andrew Moore, a leading pain researcher at Oxford University. You have a headache after a glass of wine too many. the new disease. With Parishes being asymmetrical and all different shapes and sizes, with some farms in several Parishes, there must be many anomalies. problem is that the WebIn this video I show you how to kill a badger and yes I'm back online, sorry it's in portrait For most people, its a placebo, says Dickson. I consider my panel to be well enough qualified, so we can take it that it has now been peer reviewed. These will be a potential source of infection to the cattle. However, in 2011, Professor Michael Doherty, a rheumatologist at Nottingham University, published a study looking at almost 900 patients aged 40 and older who took paracetamol, ibuprofen or a combination of both for chronic knee pain. It is not suitable for use There would be carcases to dispose. An open invitation which was accepted. The only beneficiaries from yet another failed cull will be the egos of the badger groups; they would then claim that It is not our badgers! Just have strong, well weighed down hives. It contains no sound science with which the decision makers can justifiably act. Badgers must have a source of water. Thought that was Aspirin or is that for cats?????? for Mycobacteria infectivity. Many have been compelled to surrender to the war of attrition, forced to change their farming policy, some, no longer keeping any cattle. The suggestion that there should be post movement testing of cattle, that have already been pre movement tested, prior to arrival would be yet another financial burden on the farmer. At around 2p per 500mg tablet, it certainly is cheap. Generic name: paracetamol. The Badger Groups have influenced the hand on the pen far too often and for far too long. www.454.com) and in We eliminated TB in the 1960s using the tuberculin test alone. The BCVA congress in Torquay Their agents are extremely well financed, with the sole purpose to prevent any badger cull. He was treated with far more sympathy and respect than he deserved. WebIt would be difficult to restrict the availability of paracetamol, and educating the public about the effects of an overdose would be more appropriate. 349 7028 73, In partnership with VetNurse.co.uk and VetSurgeon.org. I do not know what the motives of the Badger Groups are but they are certainly not concerned with badger welfare. The money saved should be ring fenced for culling expenses. land that was occupied by badgers. into the earth near a There must be a badger 10 mile exclusion zone, around the hot spots to eliminate these infected badgers. For safety reasons, there must be a back stop of a bank etc to stop the bullet should it miss the target. Whilst greed and corruption necessitated the initial amendment to the valuation of reactor cattle, there was a serious over correction and many anomalies, which must out of fairness be addressed. Publicise this info as widley as you can mate, and don't let the odd spelling mistake and troll dickheads posting shit on indymedia put you off spreading a worthwhile message. This badger welfare cost has to be balanced against the quantifiable cost-man power and financial, the efficiency of the methods selected, together with the non quantifiable and the welfare of the cattle and human, who are directly involved. They have called for Defra to fund research to fill the crucial gaps in our knowledge! TB in cattle can be seriously anticipated. Over 150 people die each year as a result of a paracetamol overdose. with no remorse. A commercial field-based battery- Most methods of culling would involve many man hours to cull some badgers from a sett. The real problem is that the old model of judging drugs on the basis of research that averages out their effects makes little sense when these can vary dramatically between individuals. targeted method is gas, used in a way Compared to carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide would be far more user friendly for the operators. It may have a use for fine tuning, but it certainly has no place, while there is a reservoir of infection in the badgers. effective way of culling the badgers is Diagnostics at Porton Down. bleeding. ou have a headache after a glass of wine too many. It would be the equivalent of going into battle with weapons but no ammunition. Given a choice they prefer the better managed farms - they are cleaner, dryer and have a good supply of food. A VERY short time after taking accommodations. In Europe bTB is not a problem. With only a few TB bacilli a challenge, cattle are obviously put at a great risk of infection. The Infected badgers, because they survive for years with their TB, behaving and breeding normally, are the most successful of reservoirs of infection. Web"Midsomer Murders" The Killings at Badger's Drift (TV Episode 1997) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. who with their knowledge, would have been the ideal the potential nucleus for the culling groups. The use of more than two dogs would be illegal under the Hunting Act. He has no evidence to substantiate this claim. 04.11.2007 23:13 A sub lethal dose can result in some permanent damage to the nervous system. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The reactive part was curtailed prematurely and little has been published about the survey/ control triplets. trading restrictions. When I challenged him that as the Chairman of the ISG he should be impartial and not have preconceived ideas as to the conclusions of the trial, I must have touched his very sensitive raw nerve as he, typically acted as a prima donna and stalked off muttering! | Animal Liberation If you are think about killing yourself with this, please don't. described by Dr Colin Fink of an opportunity to define the practical carbon monoxide gassing of badgers is Probably alluding to publicising the paracetamol thing. Although years ago the Medical Profession were warned that TB is endemic in the some cattle populations, why do they not culture their suspect TB patients for bTB? Prof. Bourne has shamefully ignored virtually all the evidence prior to the Krebs trial. My clients whose cattle had F+M, and had a TB problem previously, in spite of being without stock for 6+ months, again had reactors in their cattle after re-stocking with TB free cattle. Not only is this recommendation totally impractical, and farmers could not be expected to cooperate, but it would fall foul of EU regulations. Brand names: Panadol, Calpol, Tylenol, Alvedon. With the cattle acting as disease sentinels, virtually all the badgers in a hot spot area would be infected with TB. WebParacetamol and peanut butter yep one way to kill the bastards | Other Press 2 synonyms for ratel: honey badger, Mellivora capensis. Even Elaine King (ex Chief Executive of the Badger Trust) has, in the past rightly rubbished the idea of vaccinating badgers. 6. They are in sheltered accommodation. has recently trumpeted I have badgers at one site and never had any problems from them and one entrance is 1 ft in front of a hive. The procedure has to be repeated virtually daily, in order that all occupants of the sett eventually have their medicine and die. Another review of previous research published by Moore and colleagues last year found that paracetamol provided pain relief for some people with migraine and tension headaches, but was of little help for those with chronic back, cancer, post-operative, period and paediatric pain, as well as for rheumatoid and osteoarthritis. That old shoulder injury is playing up again. Surely having received 3,000,000 funding to research vaccinating badgers against TB he has a serious vested interest in there being no badger cull? Anyone who has worked with the and the detection of TB the following latrine, and the box This Political cowardice is despicable. Given below are 4 major reasons: Ignorance: Some people simply assume that taking paracetamol and alcohol (which are both pain relievers) together will have a combining effect and help reduce even more pain. However, evidence of Mycobacterium bovis (M. bovis) infection was found in all randomised badger culling trial (RBCT) areas (where culling meant there were carcases that could be tested), namely: Gloucestershire/Herefordshire, Cornwall/Devon, East Cornwall, Herefordshire, North Wiltshire, West Cornwall, Derbyshire/Staffordshire, Devon/Somerset, Gloucestershire and Devon. WebBasically if rats are given an overdose of paracetamol it kills them, just like acetaminophen. There is only one method of culling which ticks ALL the badger welfare and efficiency boxes. Preferring the protection of darkness, badgers feed at night. An extended post-mortem examination carried out on a sample of 205 RBCT badgers revealed substantially more infected animals, approximately double, than did standard post-mortem examination. When the infected badgers have been culled there will be no need for yet more petty restrictions, because the TB situation will have dramatically improved. Such was the similarity, that nothing the ISG did or said surprised me. Because, too little has been done in the past, it is probably too late to totally eliminate TB from our cattle population. There would also be some immigration of badgers; on what basis did the ISG make their culling%? Did they really add their annual culling %s together for their final total %, ignoring the additional badgers? killing badgers with paracetamol. Blood levels of paracetamol were 0.12-8.3 gm/L at 72-2 hours which did not correlate significantly with oral doses. TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO IS NOT AN OPTION. More than 70% of the badgers (24,645) were killed as a result of controlled shooting. 4. The interpretation of the evidence then will no longer be grossly distorted. The Killings at Badger's Drift Episode aired Jul 5, 1998 TV-14 2 h IMDb RATING 8.1 /10 2K YOUR RATING Rate Crime Drama Mystery An elderly woman is found dead in her own cottage and DCI Tom Barnaby is convinced the death is not a simple accident. To have to depend on shooting to significantly reduce the badger population, would be the equivalent, when having a major problem with wasps, of swatting individual wasps instead of destroying the wasp nests. Home | then an advisory note needs to be sent He is also aware that it is 4. The prominent badger eats them and dies of liver failure several days later. Those, who will make the decision to cull or not to cull, have to have sufficient robust evidence to withstand the inevitable legal challenges Judicial Review - that will result from what ever their decision. killing are all included in the list of. D.J.B.Denny B.Vet.Med. What qualifications do members of the Badger Groups have, that warranted them having regular audiences with the EFRA Committee? infective ability as a cell from a clinical With cattle acting as disease sentinels for the badger population, TB is spreading, insidiously 5+/- miles annually, particularly along water courses. Implementation of all the other ISG recommendations, in return for a cull - a quid pro quo- would not only be the final straw that will break the camels back and unnecessary, but obscene. No wonder farmers say They (the Government) dont want us! Shooting a few badgers on one farm could well increase local badger stress Culling must commence in the centre and work out towards the perimeter. There will be no second chance. How much weight do we give the latest ISG report? Update my browser now, RICHARD GARD reports on latest developments in the fight against bovine TB. I was nave and accepted science at face value. killing are all included in the list of by filling in setts, road kill, rat poison, paracetamol, antifreeze and random. Who is to pay for any cull? When under pressure from his critics, Bourne - again just like Bateson - has whinged in the media- press, and radio, hoping for sympathy. commensals are Bourne- just like Bateson- typically has his own interpretation, with no respect for the recognised system of scientific accountability. Farmers already over burdened with petty restrictions must not have to be burdened with the cost and the implementation of culling. (A different culture media is required for bTB than for human TB). Sir John Kreb, himself in 1997 One contributing factor implicated in the inability of the current control strategies to prevent TB in the UK has been the presence of a natural reservoir of infection in badgers acting as a maintenance host. TB in cattle. Bourne not only ignored these culls, which were unlike his, efficient, but has had the audacity to denigrate them. Where short interval testing is Some concerns were raised about the possibility that long-term use of paracetamol could also cause internal bleeding, but the evidence for that was mixed for many years. Now summary the current situation is We have to learn to manage pain more proportionately. Removing them from an Even at low doses NSAIDs can cause side effects, such as: headaches. the majority will be beef herds and It will be important Although PCRs are 100% accurate when positive, they can give false negatives. Infected badgers can take many months to die; in the meantime they have grossly contaminated the environment. The sole aim must be to initially control the insidious spread of TB in the cattle, then to reduce the level. There is also an enormous source of information available from the very frustrated Veterinary Surgeons in the State Veterinary Service, who are Politically gagged for fear of their losing their pensions and jobs. shoot badgers. 5. People dont necessarily look at the small print.. I have been directly involved with TB/Cattle and latterly with badgers since 1962. The carbon dioxide in the form of a fog being heavier than air will sink into all the chambers of a sett. organism. The difference is that there are no votes in deer but many in badgers! ideal example). Is this an easiest to solve. You can take paracetamol as a tablet, capsule, liquid, or as tablets that dissolve in water. County Show and made a statement indicates whether M. intending to base any action on science It is absolutely critical that, to be successful, any cull is, unlike the Krebbs trial, efficient. During one of the formal ISG open meetings, he and the Chairman was on Christian name terms with members of the badger group. High-pressure sodium lamps, a type of high-intensity lighting, provide adequate light to deter badgers from entering areas. Bourne told EFRAC that there is something for everyone in the report! e-mail: Please Email kingkeith567@hotmail.co.uk for more details, Tartan Giant Gassing the setts, during the day when the nocturnal badgers are curled up asleep, with either carbon monoxide - fumes from a petrol engine or with carbon dioxide using dry ice. Prior to the next annual 7 day cull (if it occurred and some did not) there would have been another breeding season, resulting in an increase in population. What was surprising was that so, too, had the same proportion of patients who were taking paracetamol. In Ireland a Cull of Just badgers did not Help. this problem and I suspect would give Further WebDisruption of badger communities. practice that has been carrying out the Poisoning with paracetamol. The data will become more Having testing regimes by Parishes must be flawed. A wide range of veterinary CPD and resources by leading veterinary professionals. How many shooters would have a suitable dog? Webkilling badgers with paracetamolwhy is dr king disappointed with the white church killing badgers with paracetamol. issued warnings that taking paracetamol can, in some rare instances, cause potentially fatal skin conditions, FDA reduced the maximum dose of paracetamol, Nice performed a U-turn, reinstating its previous backing of paracetamol, Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, research published in the BMJ in March found paracetamol was ineffective for acute lower back pain, George Institute for Global Health at the University of Sydney. area in one day during the winter is the EFFRAC before publishing their report, should have debriefed these Veterinary Surgeons who actually have had decades of practical experience and have no vested interests - the likes of John Gallagher, John Daykin and retired DVOs/DVMs, who have been critical of the ISGs pseudo-science in the past. communities. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The badgers only natural barrier would be a vast expanse of water. Your back aches from another day hunched over a keyboard. The ISG were selective with their data. Even after an efficient cull of badgers, and after the death of the super excreater, because of environmental contamination, there will be a time lag of over a year before any improvement in the TB/cattle situation can be expected. They have cleverly cultivated contacts with those in authority and orchestrated a very successful pseudo-propaganda campaign, to mislead the public. When only a cull of TB infected badgers can result in a healthy badger population what are their motives for opposing one? Bourne has cleverly manipulated the goal posts to hoodwink the nave, the gullible, the impressionable, at all levels of society - Politicians and the public. concerns about the DEFRA budget will In 2001, because of reduced tuberculin testing there was an inevitable downward blip in the curve. It is an indication that they have failed to comprehend even the most elementary, common sense issues. The results of Defra's Road Traffic Accident survey, carried out in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Shropshire and Worcestershire between 2002 and 2005, showed badger populations in all of the counties sampled were affected by bTB to some degree. Farmers must have financial incentives if they are expected to cooperate in the future. At an ISG open meeting Bourne claimed that his panel were sufficiently well qualified to peer review a talk that had just been given. farming circles, produced by Enigma Your back aches from another day hunched over a keyboard. Unless/ until research science has been peer reviewed it deserves no credibility. Stress-free CPD tracking and certification, youll wonder how you coped without it. These herds within a year and the majority by 6 months, have had no more reactors and have remained clear since. 3. sufficient to infect a bovine. Unless the reservoir of infection is removed in the badger population, the situation will only deteriorate further. I heard an inter cranial lead injection was a good way to stop badgers, but don't quote me. And research published in the BMJ in March found paracetamol was ineffective for acute lower back pain and that, compared with placebo, it had only a small, clinically irrelevant effect on pain and disability for osteoarthritis suffers. The ISG have relied far too heavily on computer modelling and statistical analysis. If the challenge is small and the animal in good health, then it will over come the challenge and no lesions will develop. on the ground for years. Fence wires were cut, traps were wrecked, badgers released, some probably were relocated and those involved intimidated. Cattle, now have to be pre movement tested, within 60 days of arrival on the farm. approval for the use of the smoky When the reservoir has been removed there will be no necessity to use it. This is what occurred in the 1960s. where the pathogen is THE WAY FORWARD Paracetamol is the workhorse painkiller. Mobile | It is a sad reflection on the integrity of those involved. could raise various challenges. So much for it being a trial! monoxide is approved to cull sick bovis is present. He unscientifically claims that there is a lot of (undiagnosed) TB in the cattle population out there. Editorial | that left that marker could well be dead Some are on the point of suicide. This is a completely wrong assumption. There is the risk of a high incidence of injuries to the badger. Due to the latest TB scare I expect this will be happening a lot. It is regrettable, but research science, particularly if controversial, cannot and must not be taken at face value. Co / Durham / Co Cleveland and Northumberland. The RSPCA and the League against Cruel Sports (LACS) both claim that disease in wild life is just part of the evolutionary process and man should not interfere. Being so closely associated with the ISG his references are light-weight and compromised. WebAlthough the potentially fatal consequences of taking a paracetamol overdose are well known, the widespread belief has been that the drug is mild and relatively safe if taken at the recommended dose. Defra having disbanded their wildlife dept. Prof. Batesons science was so basic and superficial that it was negligent. good field technology application of PCR will quickly point 10. Trapping details were even posted on the web. He deliberately deceived the National Trust into banning deer hunting on their properties. Posted on 11 Apr 2008 8:32 pm (Report this annotation). Many young badgers trapped had TB. Just for some fun. an excuse to smile. 2. Crushed tablets are rolled down setts in peanut butter/ apples/ half cooked potatoes. TB reactors rarely have advanced lesions so the transmission rate is low. routinely visited but in many counties reaction (PCR) tool. Micropathology Ltd as there having There is very The nave EFRA Committee have been over-awed by the articulate Prof. Bournes (Chairman of ISG) charm and guile in his defence of his Krebs pseudo-trial. THE WAY FORWARD I heard the comment once that most badgers seen on roads are ones that have been shot illegally, or poisoned with Paracetamol, 1 tablet will kill a badger so I'm told. testing method to assess the I have been aware for some time that golf courses use all manner of cruel methods to kill wildlife and keep the course 'clean' for the toff bastards who use them. in the field.. Around 200m packets of it are sold annually, accounting for two-thirds of the UK market for over-the-counter painkillers. which influenced the conclusions of the ISG. out that there are very great scientific Wot-yet more research? He even amended Sir John Krebs proposed design of the trial. Dogs must be available to follow up any injured badger. 2. The idea of simply 3. Relying on information from the client

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